for those of you familiar with the kansai ben dialect...what does nandeyanen translate into exactly....i know it is something apparently vulgar..but...thanks for the help

kazuichikun wrote:

for those of you familiar with the kansai ben dialect...what does nandeyanen translate into exactly....i know it is something apparently vulgar..but...thanks for the help

It's not vulgar at all. It can be roughly
translated to "Nandayo". Or in English, "What the hell"?/"What are you talking about?"/"What the hell are you doing?"

I concur with Hawaii no oniichan

like ahochaude said,.....~it's what tht means,......

to clarify kansai-ben does not sound vulgar at all, it's just their style of speech has been revlotionalize from the past. Therefore, it's what they speak but to the other regions, it seems impolite because it tends to be more direct in saying. Other than that, people from that region are very proud of what they become. You'll hear the rivalry story esp. Tokyo people and Osaka people (but it's getting better now).

what is the usage/meaning of datte/desute?

i know that this is used as an ending particle quite frequently but, when exactly is it used and what is the translation of it?.thanks

I hope that it can explain in my poooooor English.

DATTE / DESUTTE

It is used, when telling person(s) the matter which you got to know by hearsay.
(ex. by heard from the third person , by read in newspaper , by watched on TV ...etc)


"DATTE"
useed when talking frankly.

"DESUTTE"
Only women use it. If a man said "DESUTTE", he is probably a male transvestite.

"DASOU DESU" "DASOH DESU"
used when talking formally. Polite expression.

"DASOU DA" "DASOH DA"
used when talking frankly. Only men use it. If a woman said "DASOU DA", She could be unmanageable woman.

I don't know how does it expressed in English.

"It is said that former President Hussein was caught. "

It is pardon when a mistake occurs.

100C wrote:

I hope that it can explain in my poooooor English. DATTE / DESUTTE It is used, when telling person(s) the matter which you got to know by hearsay. (ex. by heard from the third person , by read in newspaper , by watched on TV ...etc) "DATTE" useed when talking frankly. "DESUTTE" Only women use it. If a man said "DESUTTE", he is probably a male transvestite. "DASOU DESU" "DASOH DESU" used when talking formally. Polite expression. "DASOU DA" "DASOH DA" used when talking frankly. Only men use it. If a woman said "DASOU DA", She could be unmanageable woman. I don't know how does it expressed in English. "It is said that former President Hussein was caught. " It is pardon when a mistake occurs.

Plainy said. "BUT".

"BUT" is pretty much the easiest explaination for it.

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Plainy said. "BUT". "BUT" is pretty much the easiest explaination for it.

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i know that this is used as an ending particle quite frequently but, when exactly is it used and what is the translation of it?.thanks

Well, I made the mistake in taking the meaning of a question of kazuichikun?

I wrote for this mean..... like this situation......
Hirosue Ryouko ga Kekkon sitannDATTE.
It is said that Hirosue Ryouko got married.

Yes. There is situation that "DATTE" used like "BUT".....
A:Mou Nenasai.
B:DATTE Nemuku Nainndamono.

A:Go to bed.
B:But I'm not sleepy.

But "DESUTTE" is not used for a beginning of a sentence.
It is used for only the sentence end in the sense of hearsay.

i've heard this used in some random anime...i think its busubusu or butsubusu or something...also the meaning of deke...i also hear that used in anime and some dramas....the context sounds very harsh but i am not too sure what it means........if anyone knows, i'd greatly appreciate it.

I think busu means "ugly woman." But busubusu??

maybe they are talking about those little bumps on skin that are not pimples......

neefo wrote:

maybe they are talking about those little bumps on skin that are not pimples......

THAT would be "boodzu"2x. Maybe s/he made a mistake! Wahtever the case, it means not smooth.
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Heard that often in Merry Christmas in Summer. Miki Nakatani refered "busu busu" to poor Ai Kato She isn't ugly, rather opposite.

this is a fairly random question but, the ending of a sentence is tagged with "desu" some of the time. what is the literal translation of "desu" by itself.
thanks

'desu' is polite copula in Japanese which has a positive meaning.
the negative form is 'dewa arimasen'.

100C wrote:

"DESUTTE" Only women use it. If a man said "DESUTTE", he is probably a male transvestite.

Not in all cases.

Basically "desu" means "is". Like Bedi said, a positive meaning.

"Dewa Arimasen" on the other hand means "is not".

Ahochaude desu. - I am Ahochaude.
Ahochaude dewa arimasen - I am not Ahochaude.


Blah blah blah blah , stuff like that.

And yes, also like Bedi said, it is polite (keigo).
Any other way you may say "da".

Aho da. - I am Aho
Aho jya ne~. - I am not Aho

Kansai ben is "ya".

("Jya nai" is informal for "dewa arimasen")

Kansai ben is "hen"/"chau")

Quote:

Ahochaude desu. - I am Ahochaude. Ahochaude desu - I am not Ahochaude.

The second was meant to be:
Ahochaude dewa arimasen

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I know what you mean, however for those who doesn't know

I guess "Jya nai" is (should be) meant to be 'ja nai' (would be a bit hard to pronounce with a 'y' there) or what do you think? I don't have much knowledge about the different dialects.

I guess the main question of the thread is answered now and I hope you don't get confused about the other stuff now

Bedi wrote:

Quote: Ahochaude desu. - I am Ahochaude. Ahochaude desu - I am not Ahochaude. The second was meant to be: Ahochaude dewa arimasen -------------------------------------------------------------------

Hahahahaha. My bad. Typo. Gomen.

This is just an add to what bedii and ahochaude explained at the above.
The word desu is from or a shorten for 'de arimasu' (which bedii'd explained 'dewa arimasen' for negative form) I was confused about differences between the + and - form of 'desu', long before I know it was a sort of an abbreviation.