Precious Bamboo wrote:

Quote: Buruburu and amrayu delivered package as promise and i highly recommend them to anyone. I looked at amrayu's page and there's a lot dramas I want to order but I wondered if he/she puts all of the dramas on DVDs because on the main page it says "Anything on my list can be transferred to DVD-r" but on the list page it says "All dramas will be put on DVD format eventually..current dramas in DVD format: SUmmer snow, beautiful days, Hero, TO Heart, GTO, Hotelier, Autumn in my Heart" so I was confused if all the dramas can be on DVD or just those listed, but since you've ordered from there I thought I'd ask if they're all available on DVD, I'll still probably order but I just like watching dramas on my TV better than on the computer. Thank you.

HOLY CRAP, that was a long sentence!!!!!! LOL I can't speak for amrayu (you'd have to contact her yourself), but I can make a guess. I'm thinking her list that has it in DVD format means in DVD-R that is formated to play in a DVD player (to watch on TV). Putting dramas in those formats requires more encoding and converting, so she probably didn't get to them all yet. When she says "anything on my list can be transferred to DVD-R" she may mean DATA disks. This would mean not for playing on the DVD player for watching on TV, but to fit more AVI files on a data disk for computer use.

Don't take my word as what it is, I only made a guess. You should contact amrayu to make absolutely sure.

My credit card company seems to want to make this chargeback thing a long and slow process. This thing is really making me upset.
Boydness, I hope you're right about everything being processed faster. Disputing the charges is taking long enough. I don't want a lengthly battle with paypal next.

Precious Bamboo wrote:

Quote: Buruburu and amrayu delivered package as promise and i highly recommend them to anyone. I looked at amrayu's page and there's a lot dramas I want to order but I wondered if he/she puts all of the dramas on DVDs because on the main page it says "Anything on my list can be transferred to DVD-r" but on the list page it says "All dramas will be put on DVD format eventually..current dramas in DVD format: SUmmer snow, beautiful days, Hero, TO Heart, GTO, Hotelier, Autumn in my Heart" so I was confused if all the dramas can be on DVD or just those listed, but since you've ordered from there I thought I'd ask if they're all available on DVD, I'll still probably order but I just like watching dramas on my TV better than on the computer. Thank you.

hi! sorry if its confusing.
1. those ones you listed are already in DVD format for the TV, so if you requested those titles, they would be shipped quicker..(thats the main difference)
2. if you request certain ones that arent in DVD format yet, you can request them, and itll take me about 3-5 days to complete one drama series (thus dramas ordered this way takes a little longer).

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Okay I get it. Thank you ^_^

Oni,

The credit card company has been quite slow lately with the dispute because of holidays. But you shouldn't worry and it will get done. Don't worry about Paypal . They will only send you an email telling you that you can dispute this through them but in fact, once its over 1 month, they can't do anything about it. Best is via your CC company. Good luck!

Gah! Farewell faith in humanity! I am truly gutted, not just at the loss of the money (over $150! !) but at the fact that I don't have any of the dorama : (

Well I have contacted paypal - had no response from them, and also my bank, not sure if they can do anything though

I have also enlightened the IFCC (Internet Fraud Complaint Centre), think I'll drop a few other agencies a line while I'm at it - let them know there is a fraudster on there hands. Yep, you really don't want to p*ss me off!

So Jae / Onizuka / Ganhosi - if you are reading this and feeling damn smug, flee if you will - but internet fraud is taken VERY seriously by the authorities now, you've left a very big trail and they are coming to get you! Nah, nah na nah nah!

Course if you would email all us 'suckers' and send us our goods NOW then perhaps I would be willing to withdraw my complaints. You may have some customers standing up for your but screw you for ripping me off when you knew I was broke but really wanted the DVDs not just for me but for my boyfriend and friends who were not able to make the trip home to Japan. Sure other customers who have been ripped off by you are equally gutted.

This thread makes interesting reading, but bear in mind that if you are requesting copies of stuff from VCD, DVD (and I believe things recorded from TV) then you are breaking copyright and effectively stealing from FujiTV, NHK, TBS etc. - so it's a little rich to be so pious about having lost money which was effectively being used to purchase stolen goods.

Well haven written to Fuji in the past looking for outlets of dorama and not received a reply, to get to view the drama there has been no other way for me to buy them except for the multitude of hong kong / chinese rip offs online. As you are also aware there is no demand for the drama to be sold commercially overseas with subtitles. Its a stretch to place a conman and a fan of dorama in teh same category. Those who trade / sell drama are not doing it to steal from Fuji unlike someone who takes money from someone and then does not steal goods.

Methinks it is thou who is being pious here ajb_advance

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Well haven written to Fuji in the past looking for outlets of dorama and not received a reply, to get to view the drama there has been no other way for me to buy them except for the multitude of hong kong / chinese rip offs online. As you are also aware there is no demand for the drama to be sold commercially overseas with subtitles. Its a stretch to place a conman and a fan of dorama in teh same category. Those who trade / sell drama are not doing it to steal from Fuji unlike someone who takes money from someone and then does not steal goods. Methinks it is thou who is being pious here ajb_advance

Just because you can't buy something doesn't mean it's OK to steal it (you can't buy a DVD of Return of the King at the moment, but you can download it easily enough from the web). The list of things you can't buy is long so I won't start to quote it here. Bottom line is you *are* breaking copyright - so you *are* breaking the law. I'm just pointing that out to you. If you try to defend your position you're on a slipperly slope, or the thin end of the wedge, whichever you prefer.

Come to think of it, that might be why this "Ganhosi" fellow feels he can get away with the money he has taken because these people requested copyrighted materials. However, for copying and SELLING copyrighted materials, that makes him more at fault than others. At the same time, these DVDs and VCD disks aren't like pirated CDs because the market for them isn't as big, but there was a valid point there about the copyright. However, "Ganhosi" or whoever the heck is still in the wrong, I think.

Pretty scary that I was going to trade with this person not too long ago, but it never went through! >_< I probably wouldn't have received anything in exchange.

Oh, and one last thought. How is fansubbed-drama, etc. different from fansubbed-anime? People do that until it gets licensed in the country in which they're trading it. So, let's assume that the drama isn't licensed in that country yet and it's from a TV recording, and subtitled by fans. Is that still the same as breaking copyright laws by copying and selling VCDs/DVDs?

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Come to think of it, that might be why this "Ganhosi" fellow feels he can get away with the money he has taken because these people requested copyrighted materials. However, for copying and SELLING copyrighted materials, that makes him more at fault than others. At the same time, these DVDs and VCD disks aren't like pirated CDs because the market for them isn't as big, but there was a valid point there about the copyright. However, "Ganhosi" or whoever the heck is still in the wrong, I think. Pretty scary that I was going to trade with this person not too long ago, but it never went through! >_< I probably wouldn't have received anything in exchange.

There is no doubt that whatever-his-name-is is in the wrong - I was just pointing out that there is some 'pot-calling-the-kettle-black' going on here also. BTW you cannot use the 'the market isn't big' argument (thin end of wedge etc.).

Despite what I said, if you are claiming from a CC company or PayPal, do *not* put Stolen Goods as what you were trying to purchasing....

(Hey, why doesn't someone write to Fuji TV etc, with this guys address and tell them he was distributing copies of there stuff!!)

Wouldn't work as Fuji would not give a toss, unless it came time for them to market their own product.

I have never ripped off music from the web, I have always supported the artists, and I do HIGHLY resent you calling me a thief - placing myself and other people who buy dorama in the same category as someone who rips off strangers for profit.

Like probably every other person in the developed world, I have taped a CD from a friend in the past or recorded a TV program and subsequently lent it to a friend. Your sketchy comparisons are like stating that someone who downloads a track from the internet is every much as a criminal as a thug who robs from a poverty stricken grandmother.

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Wouldn't work as Fuji would not give a toss, unless it came time for them to market their own product. I have never ripped off music from the web, I have always supported the artists, and I do HIGHLY resent you calling me a thief - placing myself and other people who buy dorama in the same category as someone who rips off strangers for profit. Like probably every other person in the developed world, I have taped a CD from a friend in the past or recorded a TV program and subsequently lent it to a friend. Your sketchy comparisons are like stating that someone who downloads a track from the internet is every much as a criminal as a thug who robs from a poverty stricken grandmother.

You arguments are facile. Lending a single episode of something you've taped off TV to someone is completely different to the systematic recording and distribution of all the episodes of a drama series. If you don't see the difference you need glasses. How can you draw a distinction between copying a music CD and drama DVD/VCD is beyond me. Just because someone adds a few pixels at the bottom of the screen which happen to be an English translation doesn't make any difference to the content which is protected under copyright.

You're not beating up old women and stealing their savings, but you are breaking the law, and remember that ignorance (or stupidity) is not a defence in law.

Oh I totally agree. Most of the stuff that goes on in this forum is illegal but it's nice to be able to obtain these shows. Just because the people are doing it for the fans doesn't make it any more justifiable though.

Now I'm not knocking this but it's fact. It stinks that you guys have been ripped off, really it does and Onizuka or whatever his name is should feel ashamed.
The problem here now is if you persue it and come under fire for trying to obtain illegal copies of drama series.

I do like how they're offered on here for fans and how you trade series with each other, just before people think I'm trying to have a go at them,there is no need to get defensive.
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Hello, I am another person who has seemed to have gotten scammed. In fact, although I have been visiting the forum for a while, I have only joined now to post this message. The thing is, I am from Australia and paid by money order because I didn't have a credit card or paypal at the time, and there does not seem to be any way to recover my money if it's already been cashed in.

The email [email protected] does not seem to exist anymore, as I've tried this email and received a 'failed message' reply.

Although I've always liked to believe the best in people, waiting over 3 months for an order is ridiculous. I am upset because jdoramas are so hard to come by for people like me, especially since most people are only willing to trade or distribute in their country only. Onizuka007 really did seem sincere at the time I emailed him. But I'm sure wherever he is, he will get what's coming to him eventually.

Thank you boyd for starting up this thread. In a way it's comforting and upsetting at the same time to discover I wasn't the only one.

Frankly by your arguments, taping programs / film off TV and lending it to a friend is EXACTLY the same as paying to obtain a copy of a film / as LEGALLY it is an infringment of copyright. Under current UK legislation, people are exempt from the rules protecting copyright if they video programme at home for their personal use only.

However can you not see the difference between someone obtaining a copy of a drama after failing to find a retail outlet and someone abusing the trust of others to con them out of their money?? Morally I am not doing anything to hurt anybody else and I could write to someone I know who works at Fuji and people at NHK I worked with and gain their absolution if I thought they gave a damn either. I now believe Onizuka was a conman, although not one of the 'piracy that funds terrorism' lot that the red eyed blacksmith on rental vids warns me about', yet his behaviour actually hurt a lot of people.

The piousness that you have accused me of is entirely yours, hence my anger at your comments and categorizing Onizuka's behaviour with the people he ripped off is extremely condescending I find. I guess there is no point saying anything else on this topic as clearly you are bound by your strict adherence to legality and this is your bible of morality.

Neko wrote:

Frankly by your arguments, taping programs / film off TV and lending it to a friend is EXACTLY the same as paying to obtain a copy of a film / as LEGALLY it is an infringment of copyright. Under current UK legislation, people are exempt from the rules protecting copyright if they video programme at home for their personal use only. However can you not see the difference between someone obtaining a copy of a drama after failing to find a retail outlet and someone abusing the trust of others to con them out of their money?? Morally I am not doing anything to hurt anybody else and I could write to someone I know who works at Fuji and people at NHK I worked with and gain their absolution if I thought they gave a damn either. I now believe Onizuka was a conman, although not one of the 'piracy that funds terrorism' lot that the red eyed blacksmith on rental vids warns me about', yet his behaviour actually hurt a lot of people. The piousness that you have accused me of is entirely yours, hence my anger at your comments and categorizing Onizuka's behaviour with the people he ripped off is extremely condescending I find. I guess there is no point saying anything else on this topic as clearly you are bound by your strict adherence to legality and this is your bible of morality.

You're a funny guy (or gal). You're angry because you were conned out of some money - it's understandable, but your arguments (if they can be called that) are facile and childish. I note that you're concentrating on talking about taping from TV rather than copying DVD/VCD - I guess that's because you know that copying DVD/VCD is indefensible. Copying from TV is more problematic, but systematic taping and distribution of whole series is certainly breaking copyright. The rest of what you wrote is nonsense.

I wish you more success in your future criminal endevours than you've had in this one :-)

Um, under copyright law -if you have a recording of a TV program for longer than a certain period (think its 10 days) you are breaking copyright law in exactly the same way as copying from another DVD, in that respect if you have videotapes of programmes. So if you want to stay on that hugh horse of yours, I suggest you delete all taped videos/ CDS / Tapes you have in your possession. One episode of a drama, or a complete serious - legally there is no difference if you break the law.

I certainly will enjoy my criminal existence knowing that I live each day - I'd thank you for your kind comments but your petty prattling was clearly insincere and frankly your overuse of the word facile and tired reiterating of copyright law has given me a headache.

Fuji are completely aware of my 'criminal activity' so if you want to preach morality and legality of copyright, start a thread on another forum and please return this thread to its original use - a forum for people who have had the misfortune of been conned by Onizuka to make there feelings known.

No need for this to become a flame war. It is illegal and once you start to distribute said material to anyone else then you are breaking the law.
The rule isn't "Oh it's fine as long as you keep it in your own house". Well that is what most people do anyway. We all have CD's or cassettes with music that has been downloaded and we get away with it. Just understand that when a TV series is copied, subtitled and then packaged for distribution by someone other than the official distributer (who obviously make money and can lose out due to piracy) then it's illegal.

File sharing and piracy has become one of the biggest major blows to the entertainment industry which you don't seem to take a look at. Sure, it's great to have the opportunity to see shows we ordinarily wouldn't but I'd wager that excuse wouldn't wash in a court room.
The people on here do a good service for fans and those who subtitle and distribute TV series are dedicated to it but just don't pretend or try to convince someone that it isn't illegal.

Niko that's interesting what you say about Fuji or NHK. I wonder if they are so relaxed about it. I would love to know what they had to say for sure.

Everyone who posts here must be aware of all this but most of them have decent souls and just want to spread series to other fans

I appologise if anything I've said sounds patronising but I see the point of the argument isn't getting through. Again I hope all of you who have had these money disputes get it sorted out in the end.
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Sorry Milkchan - my comments were not addressed to you, your posts have not been in the least bit patronizing, and thank you for your candid answers.I do see your point and entirely understand. I am a strong supporter of artists, I don't download movies or CDs off the web - I know many DJs who have particularly found this a problem and I would not deliberately try and ruin someones livlihood, I do however download song samples - if I like, I buy the CD, if not - tracks not saved.

I did actually try to buy Dorama DVDs when I was in Tokyo in July but there was a very limited selection, I joined Jdorama when I returned but could not trade with others as I had nothing to trade with which is why I was so happy when Onizuka was recommended as a seller. However I think its an outrageous leap to categorize those of us who buy drama and someone engaged in internet fraud and I found the post that that 'it was rich of us' and 'pious' of us to complain of been defrauded when we were as much a criminal very small-minded.

My subsequent posts were an attempt to highlight how retarted this insular view on 'crime' was. I don't always agree with the law and I did not and do not believe my ordering drama did anything to hurt Fuji's business, if Onizuka is a terrorist well silly me for following other customers glowing reviews- I have informed Fuji of the fact that I would do ANYTHING (bar sleeping with executives to get my hands on copy of dramas, even if it means infringing copyright laws and asked Fuji to provide me with the name of a supplier of their dramas. I'll let you know if anything happens.

At this, I will close my views on this topic. If anyone wants to discuss further - please do so by PM and I will delete my posts tomorrow so that this page can return to been a forum for discussing Onizuka not the morals of copyright infringement. Alternatively if all posts could be posted to a different thread for discussion, let the debate continue