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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

yanie_chan wrote:

Saji Kazunari is the first son of Saji Nobukata and Lady Inu (Oinu-no-kata). Lady Inu is said to be Nobunaga's favorite younger sister besides Lady Ichi. Nobukata died in a battle when Kazunari was only five. He immediately became the successor of the Saji clan, then.

Thanks to ingesz, I found interesting facts regarding Gou and Saji Kazunari's marriage. The divorce details was apparently found together with the historical records that Kazunari was banished from the Ono castle, right after Hideyoshi won the Komaki-Nagakute battle (that will soon happen in tomorrow night's episode Mr Green).

HOWEVER, there was never any records of WHEN and WHY Gou was married to Saji Kazunari. Apparently, the prediction that Gou was married to Kazunari just a few months before Komaki battle, and that it was arranged by Hideyoshi, was ONLY A THEORY, the most common theory.

In 2010, there had been debates between the historians of WHEN and WHY Gou got married to Saji Kazunari, including arguments that it might only be an engagement, and that they never really got married at all. One of the recent theory says that after Nobukata's(Kazunari's father) death, Oda Nobunaga arranged Lady Inu to marry another person, so he needed another marriage to strengthen an alliance with the Saji clan, and so Gou was married/engaged to Saji Kazunari when she was 1 year old (1574), arranged by Nobunaga.

After the Komaki battle, Saji Kazunari escaped and asked help to his uncle, Oda Nobukane at Ise-Ueno. Not long after, Nobukane arranged him to marry Nobunaga's daughter, ���U(Oshin?). He had 1 son from Oshin. No concubines. Hmm... seem like quite a sabishii life, after the Komaki battle XD

source: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/�����ꐬ


According to Gou's wiki page, a history book I have "101 Mysteries of Ogou & Tokugawa Hidetada", and a TV show titled "Sengoku & Bakumatsu Mystery", Gou and Saji Kazunari actually had 2 daughters. WIKI stated their names as Kita and Nui. The "101" book explains that this is a theory circulated among the people of Aichi prefecture (where Ono castle was at), that Gou and Kazunari were separated 5 years after the Komaki battle, and Gou had to leave her daughters in Saji clan. The first daughter, Kita, having lost her mother, was so depressed that she commited suicide. Their 2nd daughter lived a secluded life at Kyoto.
If this is true, then Gou had given birth to a roundup total of 10 babies Mr Green However, zannen, there's no strong evidence for this theory.

According to Hira Takehiro, the actor who plays Saji Kazunari, there had been talks with the producer that since Saji Kazunari never died in battle and live on for quite a long time, he might appear again in Episode 40s Mr Green

ShockedShake HeadShake Head
I really thought that she separated with Kazunari-sama because he died in the war. It'll be really sad just bcoz you lose you can't meet your wife again.
I've already like Kazunari-sama in thi dorama within precious 4 minutes near-to end in episode 12. But then on travelogue sessions mention that they both had lost their parent, make then easier to connect, make me fall for them. IDK if I can face the separation (again after read the spoiler) without.... Shameful Cry

NEW Trailer - Gou ~The 3 Sisters' Romances~
http://www9.nhk.or.jp/go/movie/tatsukonoheya02.html
LOVE that they called it "Tatsuko no Heya" tatsuko is so coquettish rofl

yanie_chan wrote:

Azai Nagamasa's twitter:
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Gou... it was such a short marriage, nou... I feel pain in my heart too. My daughters, it's a tough world, but you have to keep on living. ....However, seem like your memories on me has started to fade away. ....I'm thinking of ending my tweetting from this realm (of the dead).
Somehow I can hear tweet replies from everyone already... Anyway, in this world, Ichi, Katsuie-dono and me are involved in a love triangle. We have our own problems too here... <Azai Nagamasa>

Mwahahahaha!! I love this guy! I hope he can appear again in some form XD

AWWW Papa Azai In love really looking after from the sky *tweet* hehe
OMG love triangle at the skies Applaud rofl
do you have the twitter link? Want! Big Grin
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

7th-key wrote:
^ I seem to remember Liubeibei commenting that he chose to make an exception for "Gou" and "O-ne" due to the similarity with the English words.
The TV-subbers though seem to be doing the exact opposite... hehe

Yup.

Don't understand the inconsistency. Head Scratch
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

bmwracer wrote:

Yup.

Don't understand the inconsistency. Head Scratch


The reasons I can think of are maybe they outsourced the scripts to different translators and they didn't get on the same page, and/or the proofreader dropped the ball.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Liubeibei wrote:
The reasons I can think of are maybe they outsourced the scripts to different translators and they didn't get on the same page, and/or the proofreader dropped the ball.

Quite possible.

I would've volunteered to be a proofreader. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

yanie_chan wrote:

Azai Nagamasa's twitter:
�yNHK��́^�]�z�]�c�@�‚��̊Ԃ̉œ��肶������̂��c�@���V������ɂ߂Ă���B��ςȐ��̒����Ⴊ�A���B�搶���Đ��������̂���B�c�������A���낻�냏�V�̑��݂����Ȃ��B�̋L�����甖��A�c���V�����낻�뉩��̍�����‚Ԃ₭�̂͏I���ɂ��悤���Ǝv���Ă���B����䒷����
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Gou... it was such a short marriage, nou... I feel pain in my heart too. My daughters, it's a tough world, but you have to keep on living. ....However, seem like your memories on me has started to fade away. ....I'm thinking of ending my tweetting from this realm (of the dead).
Somehow I can hear tweet replies from everyone already... Anyway, in this world, Ichi, Katsuie-dono and me are involved in a love triangle. We have our own problems too here... <Azai Nagamasa>

Mwahahahaha!! I love this guy! I hope he can appear again in some form XD


hahahaha... Nut

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sankyuuuuuu yanie-chan Muack
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

make me remember this



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have finally caught up with all the latest episodes Gou!!

I loved Gou and Saji moments!
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Gou's second husband
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

futarichan wrote:
LOVE that they called it "Tatsuko no Heya" tatsuko is so coquettish

Yeah, and she's an airhead in a cute way too hehe


futarichan wrote:
AWWW Papa Azai In love really looking after from the sky *tweet* hehe
OMG love triangle at the skies Applaud rofl
do you have the twitter link? Want! Big Grin

Here you go! http://twitter.com/tokito36
I heard Tokito Saburo was hillarious in "Hanayome to Papa". I really need to watch that drama!^^
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Cagallisan wrote:

Gou's second husband

He doesn't fit the role at all. Shake Head
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

bmwracer wrote:
He doesn't fit the role at all. Shake Head

Why do you think so?^^
I'm indifferent about AKIRA. Never seen him acting before. And I dunno much abt Toyotomi Hidekatsu, just from the novel, seem like he speaks his mind freely and likes to laugh alot. I dunno abt his acting/portrayal or his chemistry with Juri-chan. But as far as he looks, he's quite okay, I guess.

Ep14 rating is 19.2%!! Dancing It's recovering bit by bit!! Or is it because of Kazunari-sama??^v^
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

yanie_chan wrote:
Why do you think so?^^

For one, the top of his head isn't shaved.... Secondly, he's way too tan/dark... Is he from Okinawa or something? Beaten

Yeah, it's rather superficial.... He just doesn't have that right aura, IMO. Sweat
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bmwracer wrote:
For one, the top of his head isn't shaved....

Lol, so you prefer the shaved ones? hehe

bmwracer wrote:
Secondly, he's way too tan/dark... Is he from Okinawa or something? Beaten

Since Hidekatsu is directly related to Hideyoshi (nephew and uncle), I would say, that fits in the Hashiba/Toyotomi family characteristics requirement^^ Monkey-like face and tanned, lol. Just that AKIRA is the handsome version of monkey-like face Mr Green


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Yeah, it's rather superficial.... He just doesn't have that right aura, IMO. Sweat

Do you mean the "lord" aura? Hidekatsu was born in a farmer family, I don't think we can expect more.
Or maybe you just have a problem with him like I have with Etsushi Toyokawa hehe


Don't worry, he's just the 2nd husband, only appears from Ep17, probably to Ep24-25. Not much of appearances too, based on the novel. (but that might change in the drama)

Just hope you won't have problem with Mukai Osamu, coz he'll be the male lead for the latter half of the series XD
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

yanie_chan wrote:
Do you mean the "lord" aura? Hidekatsu was born in a farmer family, I don't think we can expect more.
Or maybe you just have a problem with him like I have with Etsushi Toyokawa hehe

Probably the latter: More with the actor than the role.

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Don't worry, he's just the 2nd husband, only appears from Ep17, probably to Ep24-25. Not much of appearances too, based on the novel. (but that might change in the drama)

OK. Victory! Peace!

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Just hope you won't have problem with Mukai Osamu, coz he'll be the male lead for the latter half of the series XD

I like Mukai... Haven't seen him in many dramas, but I did like him in his role in Nodame. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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I have finally caught up with all the latest episodes Gou!!

I loved Gou and Saji moments!


i love this couple too ... Muack

i think at the end of this drama, somebody have to make a poll about witch couple is the best and the worse ...

Gou - Kazunari
Gou - Hidekatsu
Gou - Hidetada
Gou - Nobunaga hehe
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GOU-HIDETADA, FTW, for me!! Yeah No matter how nice Saji Kazunari is, Hidetada is definitely Gou's HOME Smitten

Interesting critic article on GOU's Hideyoshi:

GOU ~Himetachi no Sengoku~ Episode 14
Kishitani Goro's Hideyoshi pierced through the "foolish lord" character

translated by yanie
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I'm sorry for the rough translation, pls correct me if I made mistakes.
Not sure of the writer's intention though... maybe he's just trying to say that GOU's Hideyoshi is not that wrong/bad, afterall? XD
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yanie_chan wrote:
Not sure of the writer's intention though... maybe he's just trying to say that GOU's Hideyoshi is not that wrong/bad, afterall? XD

Isn't the writer a woman?
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Isn't the writer a woman?

I meant the ARTICLE's writer Mr Green
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I meant the ARTICLE's writer Mr Green

Doh!

Gomen. ashamed
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The first 20 Q&A of the "Ogou to Tokugawa Hidetada - 101 no Nazo" by Kawaguchi Sunao.

Q001. What's Ogou's role in the Shokuho and Edo era?
Q002. What kind of era did Ogou live in?
Q003. Which anecdote that shows Ogou's kindness?
Q004. What were Ogou's other names?
Q005. Where did Ogou spent her youth at?
Q006. What was the pedigree of the Azai clan like?
Q007. What kind of Sengoku daimyou, Ogou's father, Azai Nagamasa was?
Q008. Who are Ogou's siblings and relatives?
Q009. Ogou's mother, Lady Oichi, is the most beautiful woman in the Sengoku era?
Q010. Lady Oichi is not Oda Nobunaga's younger sister?


I've finally translated those Q&A-s here! w00t!
http://tokugawa-gou.livejournal.com/8549.html
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Ep14 rating is 19.2%!! Dancing It's recovering bit by bit!! Or is it because of Kazunari-sama??^v^

w00t! w00t! biggest leap so far from last episode 16.6% Cool!
YES, totally Kazunari-sama' effect Mr Green
ps: thank you for the twitter link Thumbsup
I saw him at Voice, but he was playing kinda serious role. might watch Hanayome no Papa too because of that Big Grin

after watch PR trailer 5 minutes for ep.14 here:
http://www.nhk.or.jp/telemap/index.html?id=gao_go_14_0424 or...
http://tieba.baidu.com/%C9%CF%D2%B0%CA%F7%C0%EF/shipin/play/ad14f05fe1c96139a33cfa94/
DL: http://u.115.com/file/t94d6699c7
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not enough of kazunari-sama...
watch Hira Takehiro visited Saji Kazunari (aka Ono Castle)

here: http://www.nhk.or.jp/pr-movie/index.html?id=0365&from=tp_al01
he introduced as Gou's husband (aww) and talked about it.

so cute In love


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