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supermidget
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jayatidev
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supermidget
Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 406 Location: ������ Country: |
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Adverbs |
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jayatidev wrote: | Can anyone help me with the detailed meanings of
zehi-zettai ni-kitto-kanarazu....
At a glance they look plain and simple "definately"...but they are diff...every single of them.
Pls help. |
����@[zehi] certainly / without fail
��� [zettai ni] absolutely, unconditionally
(���x/�}�x) ������ [kitto] surely, undoubtedly
�K�� [kanarazu] necessarily, certainly, without fail, positively, invariably
This is what my dictionary turns up. I don't know if you have the ability to look up seperate kanji, in your dictionary, but I will try figuring out a meaning by looking at the kanji.
����@[zehi]
Among other meanings, the first kanji can mean "justice ; right" and the second one "injustice" which makes a nice pair. One could make up one's own ethymology.. like "wether just or wrong, anyhow (....)" resulting in "certainly"?
��� [zettai] (ni)
1st: "to cut off, interupt (and more)"
2nd: "opposed to, opposite"
Again, just to think of a nice story to make it fit:
"without interuption; without aborting" -> unconditionally
(���x/�}�x) ������ [kitto]
It comes up with 2 words though it is usually written in kana.
The first word's ���x kanji mean "towering mountains" (no idea what that is) and the second means "degree" (like: to a certain degree). Since this doesn't make sense, I guess we should take the other word. The first kanji means "hurry; emergency" and the second is like the first word "degree".
So maybe an explanation could be "to the degree of it being an emergency" > "no matter what"?
�K�� [kanarazu]
The word means in the first place necessarily and can also mean "certainly; without fail". The kanji itself can mean "invariably; certain; inevitably". Since I can't make up a story using only 1 kanji, this is all I can provide.
Anyway, I wouldn't know which word to use in which contexts. But I'd use kanarazu the least since it's basic meaning of "necessarily". Apart from the meanings of the kanji which I selected from a dictionary (Jquicktrans), the rest (the ethymology) is just my idea. So it can be wrong. Even so I hope it helped you. _________________
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kokuou
Joined: 04 Jun 2004 Posts: 506 Location: Canada Country: |
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:33 am Post subject: Re: Adverbs |
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supermidget wrote: |
����@[zehi] certainly / without fail
��� [zettai ni] absolutely, unconditionally
(���x/�}�x) ������ [kitto] surely, undoubtedly
�K�� [kanarazu] necessarily, certainly, without fail, positively, invariably
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Sorry for not getting back sooner, I've been soooooooooo busy with school lately. But thanks, supermidget, for saving me some work and writing the meanings and their explanations down
Now, here's some context:
�y����z�@-�@���ЁF
���{�ɗ���Ƃ��́A�������̉ƂɊ���Ă����Ă��������B(Nihon ni kuru toki ha, zehi watashitachi no ie ni yotte itte kudasai.)
"Please (By all means) stop by our house when you come to Japan."
It's basically an emphasizing word that you use when you want to do something or want something to happen.
�y��Ɂz�@-�@���������ɁF
�P�P���ȍ~�́A��ɑ����Ȃ��ł��������B(11 ji ikou ha, zettai ni sawaganaide kudasai.)
"Please make absolutely no noise after 11pm."
����ȂƂ���ɂ́A��ɍs�������Ȃ��B(Anna tokoro ni ha, zettai ni ikitakunai.)
"I definately do not want to go to some place like that."
��� is SUPPOSED to be used only with negative verb constructions to be grammatical. But, recently, it's also being used with positive constructions and has almost made it's way into a regular part of speech.
You CAN use it in positive ways, but if you are a prescriptivist of grammar, then stick to negative conjugations.
�y�����Ɓz�@-�@�����ƁF
�ނ́A�����Ɨ��܂���B(Kare ha, kitto kimasu yo.)
"He'll certainly come."
�ޏ��́A�����ƖZ�����ēd�b�ł��Ȃ������Ǝv����B(Kanojo ha, kitto isogashikute denwa dekinakatta to omou yo.)
"I think she was probably too busy to call."
This word falls between the English words 'definately' and 'probably'. In other words, there is a good chance that something will happen, but it is not for certain.
Also, as stated above (THX supermidget), you will never see this word in kanji, unless it's on NEP-LEAGUE or something and you are participating in a kanji quiz show, etc.
�y�K���z�@-�@���Ȃ炸�F
��ŕK���d�b�������Ȃ����܂��B(Atode kanarazu denwa wo kakenaoshimasu.)
"I will definately call you back later."
���T���j���ɁA�ޏ��͕K�����̃x���`�ɍ����đ҂��Ă��܂��B(Maishuu nichiyoubi ni, kanojo ha kanarazu sono benchi ni suwatte matteimasu.)
"Every Sunday, she sits waits on that bench without fail."
This word means 'definately; without fail'.
It can be used in positive or negative contexts.
HTH,
������ _________________
"I like the word 'indolence'. It makes my laziness seem classy."
-Bern Williams
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supermidget
Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 406 Location: ������ Country: |
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Adverbs |
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alfarez
Joined: 17 Nov 2006 Posts: 60 Location: Malaysia Country: |
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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supermidget wrote: | Hmm I suggest you'd use a dictionary and just find what you want to know. It's hard to guess what words you like to learn...
So called "-i" adjectives or "verbal adjectives"
to taste good - oishii
to be easy - yasashii
to be hard - muzukashii or mutsukashii
to be cheap (or 'easy' in some context) - yasui
to be expensive - takai
to be warm - atatakai (attakai in speech, weather / or to the touch)
to be hot - atsui (to the touch)
to be cool - samui (weather only)
to be cold - *hmm i can't recall, someone help?* (to the touch)
to be fast - hayai
to be quick - hayai (same pronounciation)
to be interesting - omoshiroi
to be boring - tsumaranai (tsumannai in speech)
to be fun - tanoshii
to be red - akai
to be white - shiroi
to be black - kuroi
to be blue (or green, kind of weird color) - aoi
to be (too) late - osoi
to be busy - isogashii
So called " + na" adjectives or "adjectival nouns"
convenient - benri
inconvenient - fuben
pretty - kirei
hated - kirai
quiet - shizuka
strange/weird - hen
cute - kawaii
pityfull - kawaisou
skillfull/well - jouzu
unskillfull/bad - heta
other - hoka (like "other people")
particular - betsu
This is most I can think of now and I dont want to spend too long thinking of words... for adverbs, most you can just put after the subject or in the beginning of the sentence... Some ' + na" adjectives can also be adverbs with or without particles.
Adverbs:
tomorrow - ashita
today - kyou
yesterday - kinou
sometimes - tokidoki
usually - taitei
particularly - betsu ni (betsu ni ikitakunai n desu = "I don't want to go in particular... ~ I dont care about going)
not very/really - amari (amari wakarimasen = "I dont really understand it")
zenbu - everything (zenbu wakarimasu = "i understand it all")
I think I know adverbs the worst as well, anyway I hope it helps... |
Can you please write an example (with translation in English) for "verbal adjective", "adjectival noun" and "adverb".
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oshin_san
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Julieh
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Oo, nifty little list/topic Thanks guys (err, or, girls?) for all the examples!
Btw,
Quote: | Hey if your looking for some adj and adv's check out this spread sheet i made while studing Japanese. It has about 1400 words and you can sort them all by noun, ver, adj, adv, ect. You can even sort them into differnet types of verbs / adj. Its not perfect tho there are prolly still a few typos in it that I didnt catch tho. It covers chapters 3-23 of the "Genki" textbook as well. I don't think its every word but its most of them. If your uisng those books you can sort by chapter as well. :p
It also has Romanji, Kana, and Kanji for most of the words as well so you dont need Japanese text to read the spreadsheet, although it helps.
Here's the link:
http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jklosek/japanese/japanese.xls |
Does anyone have this? The link is dead
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Julieh
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europeanasianfanatic
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Wow! Arigato gozaimasu! ^w^ I bought a book for learning japanese but I think this will help me a lot! Thank you again! ^w^
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kokuou
Joined: 04 Jun 2004 Posts: 506 Location: Canada Country: |
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Shinsei wrote: | Ano ne, I've got this question concerning types of color 'red'. On one site I've found that 'hiiroi' means 'scarlet' while on another site it was stated that 'hiiro' means 'the color of the flames' which definitely is not scarlet for me. Kanji characters are the same on both sites so which meaning is the correct one? |
Well, in my dictionary, the character �� is defined as "a bright red, like that of fire."
However, ��F is defined as "deep red, cardinal red, rich red, scarlet."
To me, scarlet is a bright red, like the colour shown on this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_(color)
If you're looking for a deep red, I'd say you're looking for more of a:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_red
HTH,
������ _________________
"I like the word 'indolence'. It makes my laziness seem classy."
-Bern Williams
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